Saturday, 25 January 2014

Jane Place Lower ~ no longer extant

Jane Place is gone now! If you have any memories of it, I’d love to hear them.

Granny’s relatives were amongst the first residents of Jane Place and lived there for over one hundred years. Her Aunt Kate was born there in 1864.

Jane Place Upper and Jane Place Lower were two parallel streets running off Oriel Street, in Seville Place, Dublin, just behind Connolly Station. It seems the area was originally built in the 1850s.[1] It was knocked down in recent years, as part of the city rejuvenation and the development of Dublin’s Financial Services District, probably in the latter half of the 1970s.

You can see the location of the two streets on this ordnance survey map, in the upper right-hand quarter.

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Jane Place Upper and Jane Place Lower, Oriel Street, Dublin.

There were thirty-one terraced, single-storey cottages in Jane Place Lower and twenty-six in Jane Place Upper. I read somewhere once that the street numbers ran 1, 2, 3… consecutively along one side of the street and then continued back down the other side, so that number 1 was across the road from number 31, etc.

Can anyone place ‘3 Jane Place Lower’ on the map?

I do have some very vague memories of the little cottages, as a family friend once brought me to visit relatives there. However, Jane Place was in the inner-city and coming rural county Dublin, it was all very alien to my seven-year-old eyes. I certainly didn’t have any sense of coming home. I half remember a plot of ground, all boarded up - ‘That was your shop’, my friend said, pointing to the derelict site. ‘Your Granny’s shop’, she added. I also remember the living room in my relative’s cottage was very tiny. It truly must have been small.

Can anyone place Granny’s shop on this map? Was it attached to ‘3 Jane Place Lower’

Did you know? - not only did Granny’s parents run a grocery shop in Jane Place, but her paternal grandmother had one too and her great-grandmother – though theirs may have been on the corner in Lower Oriel Street.

Sources
[1] The first baptism listed on www.irishgenealogy.ie showing this address is dated August 1858.
[2] 1901 Census of Ireland, North Dock, Dublin.

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32 comments:

  1. Dara, thank you for stopping by my blog and leaving a comment. I followed your trail back to your own blog and love it! Thanks so much for connecting!

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  2. Hi there,
    My great Grandfather Michael Gray and Grandmother Theresa Gray (nee Simpson)and there children lived at 24 Jane Place upper according to the 1901 census.
    I was wondering if you had any photos available of the houses in this street.
    Regards
    Paul

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  3. Hi Paul, I do have a picture of the cottages, it's probably of Lower Jane Place. The photo is still within copyright, so I cannot publish here, but send me your email address and I'll dig it out for you.

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    1. Hi, I'm also trying to find a picture of 4 Jane place Lower my grandmother and grandfather are living there in the 1911 census they were the Looney family..regards Phil

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    2. Hi Phil, please send me your email address and I'll happily forward on what I have.blackraven.genealogy@gmail.com.

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  4. Hi - I'm thinking our people would have known one another. My great great grandmother (a Kavanagh) lived in Jane place lr at the time of her marriage. All her children were born in Jane place as well.

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  5. Hi, they surely would have known each other - my Great-grandfather was born there in 1874 - they must have played together as children. I checked if one of the Kavanaghs had married into my family (I had a large extended family in Jane Place), but didn't find a connection. What was your GG-grandfather's name?

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  6. 3 Jane Place is the corner dwelling on your left as you turn into thr access road from lower Jane place into upper Jane place. My family lived in 22 Lower Oriel st for over 70 years, left in 1955.

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    1. Thank you, much appreciated. My GGG-grandmother McGrane lived at 24 Lower Oriel Street for twenty years, until her death in 1903.

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  7. As turn right in to Lower Jane Place from Lr Oriel St, on the first right turn the house on your left is # 3 Lower Jane place, it was a shop and dwelling. To my knowledge and slightly wonky memory one of the owners was not a Dubliner. My family lived in 22 Lower Oriel for over 60 years, we left in 1955.

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  8. Thanks Patrick, Yes, #3 was ours. All my family were Dubs for many generations by then, so I'm not sure who you're remembering. Granny's family all lived in or around Jane Place since the 1860s. My Grandda spent about five years in England as a child - perhaps you picked up on this?

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  9. Sorry, the corner house on your left as you enter Lower Jane place is #@# Lr Oriel St, the Healys lived there. As you contine into Jane place Lower the next corner house housed the O'Rourkes ( They had relatives O'rourkes who lived in 19 Lr Oriel st. As you turned right to enter into Upper Jane Place , immediately on your left the first was a cottage, which later (1949/51?) became a family shop. opposite this shop and looking across Lower Jane place was all waste ground right up to canning place. ( This was so in my living memory from 1937 to 1955, when we left Oriel st for good.) The fayes and whalens cottages were next to the shop.The Brennans were on the opposite corner.
    I went back to visit and to look over the old neighbourhood for the first time in 2001, to find it all gone!!

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    1. My wife's ancestor was married from 2, Jane Place, on 5 August 1866 at St Laurence O'Toole's, Seville Place. His name was John Welsh and his bride Ellen Phelan. Have you come across their names? John's father was Michael Welsh and his mother, Elizabeth. Ellen's father may also have been called Michael. Regards, Stewart

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    2. Hi Stewart, no, I haven't come across them before. 50 years later we would have been related to most of the neighbourhood, but the 1860s were early days for Jane Place.

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  10. The great Irish Patriot Daniel Breen lived at the top of the dogs leg in Upper Oriel st at my time. he died there also!!!

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  11. Thank you for your comments Patrick, very interesting. I believe the Germans bombed the area during WWII, which became the waste ground you referred to. My mother lived in Jane place, during the same time you lived in Oriel St. I'll ask if she remembers you.

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  12. I lived in upper Jane Place from 1948 ,to 1970.it was a great place to grow up in and safe for.US children.I went to St.Laurence O'Tooled School.Miss Lynch was the.headmistress.of the junior school

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  13. My father came from 28 Jane Place Lower. His name was Thomas Mulligan and his parents who owned the house were James and Mary Mulligan (McGrane).He told me he attended the scene of the bombing by the Germans.He used to tell me stories about how tuff it was to survive on the streets and the only way you got respect was to be able to box and fight properly using your fists only.

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  14. Mary (McGrane) Mulligan was my first cousin four times removed, making you my third cousin twice removed. :-) Our common ancestors would have been Mary's paternal grandparents John McGrane and Margaret McGuirk. Thanks for leaving a message, it's always lovely to meet new cousins.

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    1. Wow, it's a 'small world '.On the night of the 1911 census there were 9 people in the house. Mary(mcGrane)Mulligan, her husband James, 6 children and her brother Thomas McGrane. I don't know if he lived in the house with them but he might have had as he is down as a single person. My father Thomas was born in 1904 and died in 1970 when I was 15 so I don't have much information about the family.The only other family members alive when I was young was Ellen and John.

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    2. It is a small world. If you'd like to send me an email, I'll send you a few more details about Mary, her parents, siblings and grandparents.

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    3. Apologies for the long delay in getting back to you. I would really appreciate it if you sent me details about the mc Grane's.From the very limited information I have, I think some were involved in the 1916 Rising and later on were informants for Michael Collins in helping him using the "Squad ".
      My email is johnmulligan5@hotmail.com.
      Regards.

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  15. Aquinlan78@gmail.com6 June 2019 at 11:26

    My great grandfather lived in no. 12 (i think) lower Jane Place at the time of his marriage in 1888. His name was Thomas Murphy. He moved to Spencer Avenue then. Im not sure how long he lived there prior to that. Are there any photos of the area do you know? Thanks

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    1. I've emailed you a couple of pictures of the cottages in Lower Jane Place.

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  16. Dara! I can't believe just now I've found your blog. My ggrandpa Thomas Dillon lived in 2 Lower Jane place as per a death certif of a son Daniel 1880. He had married Kate/Cath O'brien. But then moved,(maybe bc Daniel died of scarlatina at 4?) and been in around 2 Church place and/or 2 Abercorn road, but we ony know this by certifs...always dubliners once they left Kildare. Had, at least, two sons: Edward and Michael. The thing is there is some secrecy in the fam and nobody tells anything other than a few members and that's it.
    Some fenian brother and a nationalist polititian in the fam may have 'disrupted' memory of most back in the day... Do you mind me contacting you with some questions? Poiint is in the fam, ''all'' the know is about Thomas and kate (orig form Kildare) and that's it. Anyone with info pls don't hesitate to ctc me at jesicadillon@hotmail.com
    Will continue binge reading ur post!

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    1. Sure Jes, send me an email with your questions and I'll see if I can help you answer them.

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  17. Hi Dara, my grandmother Alice Reid was born in 8 Lower Jane Place in 1916. Her parents were James & Annie Reid.Just wondering if you had a picture of what the houses looked like back then.

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  18. I do have a picture that I found many years ago on the internet. Email me at blackraven.genealogy@gmail.com and I will send it on to you.

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    1. I just found out that my Grandmother, Margaret McCormack, lived at 16 Upper Jane Place when she was born in 1873.

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  19. Looking at the railway yards in the bottom left, I wonder how many of the local residents worked for the railway? Can you tell I have railway ancestors?

    Pauleen aka Cassmob
    https://cassmobfamilyhistory.com
    Family History across the Seas

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    1. Many of them did Pauleen, though at one time they mostly employed protestants, often from Ulster, they were known as 'black protestants'. My great-granduncle married one of their daughters. It caused a huge rift in the family, though her side seems to take it quite well. They ended up emigrating to England.

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