So, how large were my family in preceding generations?
My grandparents
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James Byrne and Lena O’Neill
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2 children
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Kevin Wynne and Annie Byrne
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9 children
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My great-grandparents
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Michael Byrne and Elizabeth Mahon
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4 children *
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Charles O’Neill and Mary Agnes Donovan
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9 children
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Patrick Wynne and Teresa Carroll
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8 children
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James Byrne and Christina Devine
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8 children
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My great-great-grandparents
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John Byrne and Alicia Leahy
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2 children *
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James Mahon and Margaret McDonnell
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1 child
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John and Margaret O’Neill
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Unknown
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John Donovan and Maryanne Coyle
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7 children
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John Wynne and Bridget Hynes
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10 children
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Maurice Carroll and Anne Ratcliffe
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10 children **
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Francis Byrne and Margaret McGrane
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14 children
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John Devine and Maryanne Keogh
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7 children
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* Alicia died aged about 29 years. John also had 5 children with his first wife.
** Maurice also had 5 children with his first wife. Maurice's children with Mary Anne were David Carroll (born 1857), Robert Carroll (1860-1942), Catherine Carroll (born 1862), Thomas Carroll (born 1863) and James Carroll (1865-1943).
His children with Anne were Mary Carroll (1871-1941), Thomas Carroll (born 1873), Anne Carroll (1875-1926), Maurice Carroll (1877-1877), John Carroll (born 1878), Maurice Carroll (born 1882), Peter Carroll (1884-1888), Teresa Carroll (1888-1958), Joseph Carroll (1891-1896) and Margaret Carroll (born 1895).
I've written about my great-grandmother Teresa before, and about her half-brother, James, and her sister Anne (see links to these articles above). But, although some of Maurice’s children died in childhood, I've lost track of others who I know survived.
Maybe, it’s time to revisit their stories…
Updates:
19 May 2019: What happened to Margaret Mary Carroll? here.
16 Jun 2019: Great-granduncle John Carroll ~ a Black Sheep? here.
30 Jun 2019: Robert O'Carroll (1860-1942), here.
14 Jul 2019: Annie Carroll - a tale of betrayal, here.
28 Jul 2019: What happened to Maurice Carroll, here.
I love this post and the title!
ReplyDeleteThank you, Cathy.
DeleteThis is so interesting , Dara. Going back and writing down the number of children per family in each generation makes for interesting comparisons...I am going to do that too! It is also interesting that the numbers don't seem to go up geometrically in the following generations due I suppose to changes in social conditions...
DeleteIn my case, it appears some of my 'grannys' died prematurely. Let me know if you find anything interesting, Holly.
DeleteHi Dara (from Stephanie in Samoa)
ReplyDeleteGreat to see you posting again - I enjoy your gleanings so much. One lead about Maurice Carroll's offspring in adulthood is Margaret Mary. Annotation in baptism record suggests she married Christopher Penrose 9 May 1923 at St Joseph's, in Gateshead, Durham and died 15 Nov 1949 in Newcastle Upon Tyne. May be worth checking?
Lovely to hear from you, Stephanie, I hope you are doing well. Are you still researching our family history? Have you made any good discoveries? I'm actually looking at Margaret now, with a view to writing about her :-)) I read the register that she remarried in 1949? I'll check it again, thanks.
DeleteHi Dara, Yes, all's well here in my South Sea island paradise. And yes, I'm still puddling away on the tree, in fits and starts, although I must admit I've been neglecting my paternal side a bit because you're so much better than I at following those elusive Irish threads.
ReplyDeleteI do so enjoy reading your blog and especially love it when you post a pic of one of the ancestors. The one of your granddad with his pipe looked so much like my dad! I'll email you Dad and Mum's wedding pic separately and you'll see what I mean.
Can't think of anything interesting that I've discovered that you don't already know about, but I too have been looking at Maurice Carroll's prodigious brood, especially trying to work out what happened to children of Mary Anne Frazer after she died. Wondering if Catherine and Thomas both died in November 1864 - there are death regs about the right age (although one Dublin South, one North). Also maybe even second Thomas died in infancy (Oct 1874)? If so out of Maurice's 15 kids maybe 7 (or even more) died as infants.
Anyway, if I do find anything juicy I'll let you know.
Thanks Stephanie, xx
DeleteAs interesting as large families are, I am just as interested in the many couples in my family who had NO children.
ReplyDeleteI never forget the collateral lines with no descendants either, Wendy. Someone has to remember them!
DeleteIt is very interesting to see those numbers assembled. I also have some who had small families because a spouse, usually the wife, died young. I think it had more to do with help on the farm than any particular religious beliefs.
ReplyDeleteThat probably played a part, Colleen. Although many had no real choice, at least in Ireland - it was illegal to sell contraception until about 1980.
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